tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18934603.post113437611189468934..comments2024-02-26T10:25:52.212-08:00Comments on The Radical Libertarian: Walking Around in CirclesAaron Kinneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12059982934663353474noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18934603.post-1134420597893483252005-12-12T12:49:00.000-08:002005-12-12T12:49:00.000-08:00This is not a competition. Christianity already lo...This is not a competition. Christianity already lost the political and moral battle. You guys are just the cowering retreating army sending juvenile insults to their conquerors.<BR/><BR/>Go back to your blogs and leave us atheists alone, losers.Francois Tremblayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760072622693359795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18934603.post-1134417649028805052005-12-12T12:00:00.000-08:002005-12-12T12:00:00.000-08:00Thank you for the atheist comment. ;)Thank you for the atheist comment. ;)Francois Tremblayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760072622693359795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18934603.post-1134417215802639042005-12-12T11:53:00.000-08:002005-12-12T11:53:00.000-08:00Merry Chistmas.Merry Chistmas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18934603.post-1134410689674333692005-12-12T10:04:00.000-08:002005-12-12T10:04:00.000-08:00One more Christian comment and I'm closing this co...One more Christian comment and I'm closing this comment page. This is not the blog for you. We don't want to hear from you. We don't even like you. We want yuo to wither and dissapear from the public square, and from OUR media.Francois Tremblayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760072622693359795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18934603.post-1134409854957799842005-12-12T09:50:00.000-08:002005-12-12T09:50:00.000-08:00difster,Youre a day late and a dollar short. I alr...difster,<BR/><BR/>Youre a day late and a dollar short. I already beat you to the punch is who is judging who irrelevant. <BR/><BR/>Why dont you go exercise your Christian moral code one someone?<BR/><BR/>thomas,<BR/><BR/>You are incorrect. In Exodus 20:2 God clearly expresses a "might=right" mentality.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you should read your Bible more. I cant believe youre not familiar with Exodus 20:2! <BR/><BR/>Why am I constantly refuting Christians with their own Bible? I dont think Vox's readers ever read their Bible. Either that or they suffer from "reading comprehension" LOL.<BR/><BR/>noroomonthemothership,<BR/><BR/>If God didnt appoint himself, then who appointed him? How did he become the "boss"? By pure logical necessity, God is self appointed. If he wasnt, then he wouldnt be God.<BR/><BR/>salt,<BR/><BR/>youre arguments are even worse on my blog than they are on Vox's blog. Have you had enough of me schooling you? Youre straw man of atheism isnt even supported! You only manage to make an empty claim and then write some silly script as if you were an atheist beating someone into submission. Obviously you didnt understand anything that I said about the virtue of non-coercion. In fact, I dont think you even understand what the word coercion means, for you mischaracterize my expressing my own views as some kind of coercive act. Nothing could be further from the truth.<BR/><BR/>You then claim that my assertion that the Christian God utilizes a "might = right" morality is absurd, yet you offer no actual <STRONG>argument</STRONG> for this, unless of course you count your ridiculous straw man atheist script. Its the most nonsensical post Ive seen from you yet.Aaron Kinneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12059982934663353474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18934603.post-1134409129917682452005-12-12T09:38:00.000-08:002005-12-12T09:38:00.000-08:00This is a libertarian and atheist blog. You are al...This is a libertarian and atheist blog. You are all off-topic. Stop posting this vomit on our comments.Francois Tremblayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760072622693359795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18934603.post-1134409034101627672005-12-12T09:37:00.000-08:002005-12-12T09:37:00.000-08:00What is this Christian bullshit ? Whoever asked fo...What is this Christian bullshit ? Whoever asked for your fucking opinion ? This is a LIBERTARIAN blog. You are not desired or wanted here. Aaron has already made all the points needed to refute your champion's nonsense.<BR/><BR/>You people strenuously argue against Aaron when all he's doing is using FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIAN BELIEFS (such as the sacrifice of Jesus or God's might makes right) to refute your champion's posts. The fact that you are sticking around and defending him only shows that you are hypocrites.Francois Tremblayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760072622693359795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18934603.post-1134401953392009672005-12-12T07:39:00.000-08:002005-12-12T07:39:00.000-08:00Being an athiest will probably force you into yiel...Being an athiest will probably force you into yielding power to some others to attempt to secure your safety. Better had too, or I as an athiest will own you and beat you into submisison to my will. Their power secures your safety from fear of me. There is always a bigger fish. You, the athiest, can make no claim to other than might = right.<BR/><BR/>Now God is powerful and by definition there is none greater, yet my giving myself over to Him does not secure my safety from you. <BR/><BR/>So equating God to might = right is absurd. Jesus' moral code also does not secure me from you. It does though secure you from me.<BR/><BR/>Your claim to being an athiest libertarian is an oxymoron, for at best you highjack others' moral code where your safety is secured without might and treat it as your own. <BR/><BR/>But, I'm an athiest without any code but myself, and I own you. The beatings will continue till you submit.Salthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015302224075829528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18934603.post-1134401520892757492005-12-12T07:32:00.000-08:002005-12-12T07:32:00.000-08:00Give it up Aaron, you've been rendered irrelevant....Give it up Aaron, you've been rendered irrelevant.<BR/><BR/>Please go take some classes in logic and critical thinking and then come back and play.<BR/><BR/>As I submit myself willingly to Jesus Christ, there is no conflict with libertarianism even if Christianity were a political philosophy.Difsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15192605698986301905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18934603.post-1134397574197866252005-12-12T06:26:00.000-08:002005-12-12T06:26:00.000-08:00"It has already been successfully argued ..." - Aa..."It has already been successfully argued ..." - Aaron<BR/><BR/>Interesting. Positing an opinion of another as a fait accompli to the argument and therefore as proof of one's own assertions is disingenuos.<BR/><BR/>That I disagree neither proves nor refutes your assertions as my disagreement alone proves nothing, but that I disagree proves the disingenuousness of your 'successful' assertion. <BR/><BR/>You'd have been better off not coming from a absolutist position. Any credibility you might have had has been lost.<BR/><BR/>I am libertarian. I believe in personal choice and non-coercion. My choice is Christian. I was not coerced into that choice. As such I accept the moral code of Christ.<BR/><BR/>If I were athiest I might choose some moral code based on a perceived logic, or some form of philosophy or reason. Then again I might not. <BR/><BR/>As nothing but myself determines my code, as I am subject only to my own proclivities, I may yet exercise my personal choice and own you. You have no say. There is nothing to restrain me. <BR/><BR/>Argue what you will as I put your leash on and beat you into submission. Your argument is nothing. I own you. I'm an athiest with no foundation but myself. And I am right. I say so. Disagree? You won't for long as I beat you into submission.Salthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08015302224075829528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18934603.post-1134395129295677022005-12-12T05:45:00.000-08:002005-12-12T05:45:00.000-08:00You cannot find "Might=Right" anywhere in the bibl...You cannot find "Might=Right" anywhere in the bible, church fathers, the doctors of the church, magisterial or papal documents, or the writings saints, so I don't know why you keep saying this. Can you quote a primary CHRISTIAN source? It also does not follow that because some anti-christian source has complained christianity is might=right (while usually complaining a few pages away that it is about humility, sacrifice, and meekness) that they got it right.<BR/><BR/>What the church has taught is that there is a Natural Law which is discernible through reason regardless if you are a pagan, christian, atheist, or pantheist. The same kind of reason that will lead you to 2+2=4 will lead you to the evils of murder and theft. As I've said, read Aquinas who wrote a treatise on law as part of the Summa Theologiae. I can't overcome your sloth - I'd include a link, but if you won't spend a minute on Google, you aren't likely to spend an hour reading what a doctor of the church actually says about morality and civil authorities (much less the other sections). You won't find might=right here or in Augustine, yet you will keep claiming this is what the church teaches.<BR/><BR/>Innocent humans were and are killed. Their sacrifice didn't atone. You miss several key points of the passion and death of Jesus. You don't understand it. Or maybe in your libertarian utopia, as soon as someone is arrested and charged, you would deny any gifts of money or similar aid which might be used to pay off the fine imposed. You basically excluded the case where X is fined $5000, I am friends with X and have $5000, so I give it to him to pay his fine. Oh, the injustice of it all...<BR/><BR/>The problem with other moral codes, is that they are merely (usually in error) restatements of the natural law, or they assume, and want everyone to accept something else which is non-obvious as a premise. Like self-ownership, which leads to contradictions. You can state it and all the corollaries all you want, (and can posit we will all live happily ever after if everyone was just lobotomized to accept this as truth) but you never state why it is true in an objective sense.<BR/><BR/>You are owned by Satan because you will die, regardless of how much you might not want to. You can claim you own your life, but it won't last for much over 100 years even if you take desperate means with your lifestyle (and is that freedom?). You lease your body for that period. I've not seen any argument as to when you begin your ownership of your life - at conception? at emancipation?<BR/><BR/>As I asked, do you think Doris Gordon, Atheist, Objectivist who says it is at conception (l4l.org) is right, or Rothbard? Oh yes, more reading, more sifting arguments. But if you don't think it is at conception, which of Ms. Gordon's arguments is flawed and in what way?<BR/><BR/>Nor do I have responses to the other things I asked from the earlier post. A post suggests destroying freedom of thought, the press, speech, etc. because religion/christianity is enslaving to the mind.<BR/><BR/>What about drugs - the LP wants them legalized. Or pornography or things like gambling? And some people can't handle alcohol or sex. If you are going to create a police state to stamp out religion (following in the steps of Stalin and Mao), why not these things which can be more enslaving?tzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14446437456939115403noreply@blogger.com